From: Bill Morrow (penzance_at_icanect.net)
Date: Thu Jun 03 1999 - 10:32:00 EDT
Vince..
Vincent Poy wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote:
>
> Bill and everyone,
>
> > > After I heard about the warranty from you and everyone, it sure
> > > doesn't seem like it.
> > >
> >
> > :-)NOW you know..
> > in fact, when the 770-1AU came out, the IBM 64meg parts did not work
> > right, only the Viking worked and no one else had any...
>
> Actually, reading that last line is humourous since IBM's own
> option won't work in their machines. :-)
IBM did not share your amusement at that time.. :-)
>
>
> > > When you meant bum, you meant like low quality chips right? I
> > > know NMBS is a brand that absolutely sucks and the chip is slower than
> > > it's rated at.
> >
> > low quality, slow, high drop out rate, i don't know..only was told
> > that these (raw) chips were not highly respected..
>
> Yeah, you're right. I know they made chips but they certainly
> weren't popular..
>
> > > Hmmm, so even Crucial does the same thing too? I always thought
> > > Crucial would just use the memory that is made by Micron or is Crucial
> > > just a part of Micron that doesn't even use Micron chips?
> >
> > apparently crucial is part of micron who does make their own chips and
> > who brought action against offshore chip makers for dumping..whis is
> > the reason chip prices are expected to rise very soon..
>
> Oh okay, so that's what they meant by dumping.
>
dumping = selling below cost to capture a market..(sorta like the browser wars)
> > > I never noticed that one of the socket was upside down since I did
> > > take out the memory and put it back in except it's hard to tell which slot
> > > is which.
> >
> > when one does this frequently (i usually test run memory i sell when i
> > have that particular machine here) I notice the variations..770X and Z
> > are quite different from 770-1AU and 770ED..
>
> Yep, it's probably totally different inside as well. Even the
> servicer was surprised that the 770Z was modular while the older 770's he
> serviced weren't as modular.
>
the new machines also appear to have the system memory in a DIMM socket..i need to
learn if the 64meg part can be changed to a 128meg part, then two 128meg parts
added to the two expansion sockets, theu 128 + 128 + 128 = 384megs.. ?! :-)
> > > How did they fix it so the chip will work in both slots correctly
> > > since if it's fixed for the upside down socket, wouldn't it have a problem
> > > with the other slot?
> >
> > no, they changed the eprom and moved it slightly..it was only a small
> > thing, but if you can't snap the DIMM down on both sides, its got to
> > be fixed...
>
> Ah, so it's just the position of where the eprom chip is.
>
yup..simple, but significant..!
> > viking is expanding..theres a whole lot less $$ in it these days..
> > and viking has debt, i think, so they MUST adapt or die..
> > goldenram is a privately held corp, with no debt and lots of memory on hand..
> > apricorn is a private corp too, i think..
> > don't know the debt story there, however..
>
> I guess I'll take a look at Kingston, GoldenRam, Viking, not sure
> about PNY though since it seems like even for desktop memory, both modules
> of the same size use totally different chips.
>
> > micron is, i think, still a good company, except for this 'problem'
> > they have..
>
> Yep, I wonder how many returns have they gotten since the Crucial
> memory offers a lifetime warranty and the 30 day moneyback guarantee.
>
i have no idea..remember, this is the "scuttlebutt" not verifiable fact, since i
don't have lines of communication into h/p, dell or ibm..
this came from a supplier to some or all of those companies..
> > > Actually, thanks to Donald. It seems like the 770ED Quick-start
> > > mentions the card while the 770Z one doesn't.
> >
> > the enh. video card was standard on the 770 & 770E and optional on the
> > 770X & Z...
>
> I guess that's why. The Video card manual probably assumed that
> people were using the 770 and 770E.
>
> > > Hehe, atleast 3.2 gigs is still better than that 2.1 gig I have in
> > > the 385ED still.. The only problem I'm experiencing is when the system
> > > starts up, there is 80% free GDI resources, and 18% each on System and
> > > User resources. It has something to do with the preload or the IBM/Intel
> > > Lan Desk Management.
> >
> > doubt the preload is doing that..must be something, some task or app,
> > taking but not giving back...
>
> Hmmm, it could be the IBM Lan Management thingy that came on the
> software selection disk since that seems to open up a DOS prompt to load
> during bootup.
>
i have no idea, since i use windows for the lan and that is for novell or some such
that i don't have..
i should also mention that some unbranded memory can be quite good, but has little
or no warranty..
and some branded and unbranded memory can be stacked chips, used chips or the like,
and thus substandard..
the big guys all use new chips and test them before shipping.. usually.. when
theres time..!
i remember when some memory shipped, i got it, tested it, and nothing..!!
turned out the eprom had not been programmed..! :-)
it all went back and i got new stuff..
THATS why i like to test stuff before i send it out..
lower chance i will need to be shipping things on my own 'nickel'..
> Cheers,
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