From: Richard Chalk (rchalk_at_mindspring.com)
Date: Thu Sep 02 1999 - 21:17:01 EDT
so it's OK to steal software, but not money.
Interesting point of view...
Richard
At 11:52 AM 9/2/99 -1000, Keith Wong wrote:
>--I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Mark, the all mighty dollar is the
>best for
>corrupting everyone. I just recently got ripped off purchasing one of
>those $25
>copies of Office 97. I let Haggle.com know, but they haven't responded or
>even
>posted my negative comment on that seller. Now someone else from the same
>domain
>name dotnet.com is selling Office2000 for $27. Is anyone doing anything about
>it? I don't think so. I know it goes against the code of thieves/computer
>people but I think I'm gonna call the (GASP!) feds on these guys. I've
>always
>been part of the wink, wink, knudge, knudge group of users as far as software,
>but taking peoples hard earned money is wrong.
>
> --keith Wong
>
>Mark Bell wrote:
>
> > At 02:45 PM 09/02/1999 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote:
> > >I would re-phrase that to: he "rooked" a few fools.
> > >
> > >Anyone who buys an expensive laptop from someone with no prior history and
> > >who has $50,000+ worth of auctions (all ending within a 3 day period) is
> > >nothing but a fool.
> >
> > As I said in my initial response to you, "as always, caveat emptor." But
> > everyone isn't as cautious, paranoid or doubting as others. Regardless,
> > you are, in effect, blaming the buyer? Ebay needs to enact as much
> > security and protection as possible. Of course that may cause future
> > sellers and buyers to not use them....oh wait, of COURSE, that's what
> > they want. Maintain cash flow as much as possible and let the
> > responsibility of fraud, scams and other quasi-illegal activities fall
> > on the shoulders of the buyers because they are, "fools," and they should
> > know better. Oh, gee, WHY didn't I see that??!!
> >
> > >The tools are there for buyers to use. They can check on the seller's
> > >feedback, they can see what else they have for auction, they can look up
> > >their contact information, they can call the seller, etc. Anyone with an
> > >ounce of gray matter between their ears would have realized this was a
> scam,
> > >you can't fault eBay for this.
> >
> > Ebay is a medium that SHOULD have to take responsibility for actions
> > like this. Hands off is only valid to a point. Ebay does enough to protect
> > its own interests, no more; no less. Ebay is usenet with a profit motive.
> > But no, users are now expected to be detectives when all they want to do
> > is come to a buy/sell business that gives the appearance of a safe, happy
> > medium for buying/selling.
> >
> > By your rationale, AOL should let users send viruses to unsuspecting
> > fellow AOL users using their own internal tools and medium, because they
> > were, "fools." No, at a point, the for profit business has to step in and
> > enact measures to protect its users. Usenet is anarchy; Ebay is not.
> >
> > >So, come again? how does this make eBay a bad place to shop? If these
> buyers
> > >are so foolish to buy from someone like that, I have a few bridges and
> a lot
> > >of land in Florida I could sell to them.
> >
> > Ever hear of, "diamonds in the rough?" I never said ebay was a bad place to
> > shop. If you can show me in my messages where I said that, I would be more
> > than willing to apologize. I use ebay religiously, but that doesn't make it
> > ok. I use usenet too, and we KNOW it is ripe with scams. Your last
> statement
> > is a hyperbolie++ and isn't constructive.
> >
> > BTW, you need a BIG hug! Perhaps it will dislodge that chip from your
> > shoulder. :)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > >
> > >C.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Mark Bell <bytehead_at_bellatlantic.net>
> > >To: TP List <tp750_at_cs.utk.edu>
> > >Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:46 AM
> > >Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay
> > >
> > >
> > >>Another user, compu007 JUST rooked 5 people on ebay.
> > >>Do a search on his name with ebay's search form and
> > >>you will see.
> > >>
> > >>At 12:00 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote:
> > >>> Randy...
> > >>>either way, its the dark side of the coin..
> > >>>saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up.. the sad
> > >thing
> > >>>is that there are people who fall for that stuff.. Randal Whittle wrote:
> > >At
> > >>>05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here
> > >is
> > >>>> something to ponder..
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>><&item=150978232>http://c
> > >>>&item=150978232 I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0"
> > >>>feedback rating and a
> > >>>note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600
> > >>>(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to
> pause
> > >>and
> > >>>wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. Other
> than
> > >>>your suspicion though, how can you say this is
> > >>>necessarily an
> > >>>example of "fraud" on eBay? If these things really aren't
> legit, I
> > >>>would be more inclined to
> > >>>suggest
> > >>
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