From: STeve Andre' (andres_at_msu.edu)
Date: Sun Apr 23 2000 - 04:06:55 EDT
I suspect lots, Bill.
For me, I've made the transition to laptops as my permanent computing platform.
This XGA display I'm using on this i 1451 is just so marvelous that it
really hurts
my eyes to have to stare at a fuzzy old Trinitron monitor any more. I
really mean
that. My headaches have gone down tremendously having used TFT displays for
all my computers now. Then there is the mobility issue, such that I can
write, or
work on code wherever I am. I even have the advantage of having a built in UPS
on my ThinkPad, something that I wound up appreciating at work about two weeks
ago when the power glitched for two seconds. Everyone else's computers
rebooted
but mine...
So I think that more and more people are going to be demanding large disk
drives.
Personally, I could use 300G of disk on my laptop. I've always wanted to have
everything I've ever done with computers near me, and huge drive on my laptop
would literally let me carry a large part of my life with me at all
times. Not a bad
thing.
Lastly, I'll point out that data like audio files and soon video files will
capture folks
imaginations, such that many gigs will be consumed that way.
If IBM comes out with the 30 or 32G disks for us folks this summer, I'll
upgrade my
i 1480 to it. If they don't, then I'll get an 18G disk and fill that
within a week.
I really could use 300G. I know I'm not alone.
--STeve Andre'
At 03:23 AM 4/23/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote:
>the A20p has an 18gig drive.. which points to 12.5mm..
>the T20 (51U) has an 18gig, the T20 41U has a 12gig..
>
>and, in spite of my earlier 43gig comment, how many users really need 2 x
>25gig or,
>even 2 x 18gig on any one laptop.. ?!
>
>STeve Andre' wrote:
>
> > If and when I get the name of the site again I will let everyone know. It
> > was an interesting mix of technical stuff. I HATE it when my system
> > crashes, and I haven't saved the site I'm at into a bookmark.
> >
> > At any rate, I think that the space squeeze inside laptops, coupled with
> > the increasing bit densities involved are going to make for thinner disks.
> > Look at what IBM has done with its current models, from the lowly i
> > Series to 600's; they all handle 12.5, not 17mm drives. To me that says
> > that they aren't going to go about using the older larger size any more.
> >
> > It will be very interesting to see what disk size the new A20's and T20's
> > can handle. If the higher end units can't take 17mm disks then I think
> > that will be significant. I know already that there are some interested
> > 7mm disks in Japan in the 8 or 9G range, with really good shock
> > handling characteristics.
> >
> > As an aside, a hardware type friend of mine has speculated that we may
> > be on the cusp of another leap in disk drive capacities soon. He reads
> > things that the disks folks write and understands the subtle nuances of
> > magnetic theory and says this. 'Twill be interesting to see if he's right.
> >
> > --STeve Andre'
> >
> > At 07:45 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote:
> > >I would be interested in that paper or web site. To push the
> > >envelope, I can't see companies waiting until their technology
> > >can be sized into a 12.5mm form factor. IBM isn't the only one
> > >making HDs either. In addition, the 770 series will allow a user
> > >access to their old data if needed (or anyone needing to work with
> > >a larger form factor laptop HD for whatever reason) or save $$$ by
> buying a HD
> > >in the larger form factor when the smaller becomes available.
> > >There is zero disadvantage of the HD bay on the 770, and it is
> > >an advantage over the 600 series. I agree that density is only going
> > >to improve (as it has for years <g>), but coupled with a larger
> > >form factor, they can stuff even more capacity in that puppy. Of course
> > >at what point is, "enough is enough." >:-) Heck, I don't even use
> > >all the capacity of the stock 14.1gb drive in my 770z!
> > >
> > >At 07:27 PM 04/21/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote:
> > > >I think I remember reading a paper on new disk technologies which
> said that
> > > >12.5mm was going to be a standard for the next while, and 17mm wouldn't
> > > >be needed. IBM has gotten up to around 17 billion bits per square
> inch now
> > > >in data density and I got the impression thats only going to
> improve, so the
> > > >new disks won't be as tall as before.
> > > >
> > > >Witness the 32 and 30G IBM disks at 12.mm. Also, consider that smaller
> > > >notebooks could use the smaller disks.
> > > >
> > > >Now if only I could remember the site where I was reading about all
> this...
> > > >
> > > >STeve Andre'
> > > >
> > > >At 07:16 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote:
> > > >>At 10:35 PM 04/21/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote:
> > > >> >In message <15782.000420_at_falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes:
> > > >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > >> >> Hash: SHA1
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote:
> > > >> >> RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600:
> > > >> >> RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ...
> > > >> >> RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ...
> > > >> >> RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ...
> > > >> >> RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite
> nicely.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600
> series,
> > > >> >> or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this
> capability, so I
> > > >> >> can consider it for replacing my 770ED?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info
> > > >> >on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in
> > > >> >any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are
> > > >> >shipments promised in May.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>The point is when technology pushes new HD capacities, they initially
> > > >>come out in >12.5mm sizes on a frequent basis and these drives have
> > > >>larger capacities and sometimes faster rpm rates. In time, similar
> > > >>capacity devices are offered in smaller form factor(s) as technology
> > > >>affords it. The 770 series can accomodate larger physically sized
> > > >>HDs (>12.5mm). The 600 series can not. This was the case with the
> > > >>25gb drive, and I suspect it will happen again in the future with
> > > >>other drives, manufacturers and capacities as they push the envelope
> > > >>for speed and capacity.
> > > >>
> > > >>Mark
> > > >>
> > > >>
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>
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