From: Bill Morrow (penzance_at_gate.net)
Date: Wed Oct 16 2002 - 19:37:19 EDT
Sadly i was wrong..
IBM can NOT sell a thinkpad without an OS.. and M$ is the only OS
available..
<------------------------------->
Cordially, :-)
Bill Morrow
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
thinkpads.com Open Forum
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or go to thinkpads.com and link from there
E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Chalk" <richard_at_chalk.ws>
To: "Jim Schneider" <jschneid_at_mchsi.com>; <thinkpad_at_cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: buying a thinkpad without microsoft
> No HD, but pre-installed software!! Cute...
>
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Schneider" <jschneid_at_mchsi.com>
> To: <thinkpad_at_cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: buying a thinkpad without microsoft
>
>
> > Even directly from IBM for example:
> >
>
http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=24
> 87012&storeId=1&langId=-1&catalogId=-840
> >
> > Bill Morrow wrote:
> >
> > > just a quick comment..
> > >
> > > we are speaking of a preload, not a retail box OS..
> > > if we all drift offf in that direction, the preload question will
fade..
> > >
> > > if you can buy a new thinkpad with no HDD then there is no OS with
it..
> > > some companies build up their own versions for the sales force..
> > > OS/2, Linux, w98 or older..
> > > it works, its cast in stone and they don't want W2k or Wxp or anything
> > > else...
> > >
> > > so you CAN get a new thinkpad with no OS..
> > >
> > > <------------------------------->
> > > Cordially, :-)
> > > Bill Morrow
> > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com
> > > thinkpads.com Open Forum
> > > http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
> > > or go to thinkpads.com and link from there
> > > E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "VirtueNet" <grahamj_at_virtue.cx>
> > > To: "Steve C." <stevec50_at_yahoo.com>; "Felix E. Klee"
> <felix.klee_at_inka.de>
> > > Cc: <thinkpad_at_cs.utk.edu>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 8:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: buying a thinkpad without microsoft
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steve C." <stevec50_at_yahoo.com>
> > > > To: "Felix E. Klee" <felix.klee_at_inka.de>
> > > > Cc: <thinkpad_at_cs.utk.edu>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 7:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: buying a thinkpad without microsoft
> > > > > Won't work, the store didn't write or even agree to
> > > > > the EULA.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, you probably don't know that for sure. I would assume
that
> MS
> > > has
> > > > some kind of agreement that it's retailers must sign in order to
sell
> > > their
> > > > products.
> > > >
> > > > Although MS's EULA's are different for every product here is a
snippet
> > > from
> > > > the Win98 EULA: " installing, copying, downloading, accessing or
> otherwise
> > > > using the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, you agree to be bound by the terms of
this
> > > EULA.
> > > > If you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, do not install or use
> the
> > > > SOFTWARE PRODUCT; you may, however, return it to your place of
> purchase
> > > for
> > > > a full refund."
> > > >
> > > > It certianly appears to imply that the Point of Sale is the place to
> do
> > > the
> > > > return. As for opening the package, well I would find it unlikely
> that
> > > any
> > > > court would enforce a licence that the licencee had no opportunity
to
> read
> > > > before accepting. IIRC there was a case in Scotland that upheld
this
> > > idea.
> > > >
> > > > > I don't know of any store that will accept
> > > > > opened software for a refund!
> > > >
> > > > No offense but the fact that you don't know about something doesn't
> make
> > > it
> > > > untrue. (ad ignorantiam)
> > > >
> > > > > They used to complain
> > > > > even if the item being returned was not software but
> > > > > happened to have software with it, like a printer or
> > > > > scanner. I've had to scream and cause a fuss just to
> > > > > return something that wasn't software at all but
> > > > > that's changed some now that almost everything you buy
> > > > > comes with software. Still, no stores will accept an
> > > > > opened packeage CD, whether it's a music CD or
> > > > > software except in exchange for another one if the
> > > > > first one was defective.
> > > > > I can see how you might think you could return just
> > > > > the license since they charge you for licenses but you
> > > > > won't be able to find anyone who will accept a license
> > > > > for a refund either.
> > > >
> > > > I have no problems believing that stores would be reluctant to take
> back
> > > > software that was out of the shrinkwrap however if the EULA is
binding
> to
> > > > the user then it seems reasonable that it is binding to the vendor.
> So I
> > > > don't see how they can ultimately avoid it.
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>
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