From: Bill Morrow (marrow_at_adelphia.net)
Date: Fri Oct 18 2002 - 14:37:41 EDT
mick..
<------------------------------->
Cordially, :-)
Bill Morrow
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
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E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mick McQuaid" <mcquaid_at_u.arizona.edu>
To: "Bill Morrow" <marrow_at_adelphia.net>
Cc: <thinkpad_at_cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: buying a thinkpad without microsoft is NOT POSSIBLE from IBM
> Although I have basically switched to the
> Powerbook, I still check every few months to see
> what the Thinkpad situation is regarding Linux. I
> very much need an archive of messages that
> includes current status on questions like:
>
> Can I buy a Thinkpad without paying the MS Tax?
NO..
>
> Can I buy a Thinkpad that can play DVDs under
> Linux out of the box? (meaning via a method not
> being challenged in court, and actually
> implemented by IBM with the blessing of their
> lawyers---this is important! I have DECSS, but I
> want something legal!)
i'm pretty sure the T22 linux preload cound do this..!
>
> Can I buy a Thinkpad that accesses my Firewire
> camcorder out of the box without using an MS
> operating system?
>
probably not..
> I am SURE there are other Thinkpad users or
> potential users who want to be able to refer to
> such discussion from time to time or IBM wouldn't
> have briefly had a Linux on Thinkpad office!
> (and Steve Ballmer wouldn't be quoted on national
> TV as saying that free software is Microsoft's
> number one enemy!!!)
heh, heh..
how much $$ does it take to live well enough to be happy..?
>
> ... regarding a message from Bill Morrow on Oct 18:
> > art..
> > maybe you're right..
> > and maybe this IS a lot of noise..
> > and i have no trouble hosting this discussion myself, but that would be
too
> > self serving..
> > so, if you don't want to participate, may i respectfully ask that you
just
> > use the delete key.. or add this subject line to your filter to place
these
> > posts into the spam bucket.. :-)
> >
> > for me, i like the occasional thread drift 'cuz i learn a lot this way..
> >
> > if others want this to end, let me know and i will shut up.. :-)
> >
> > <------------------------------->
> > Cordially, :-)
> > Bill Morrow
> > WEB page http://thinkpads.com
> > thinkpads.com Open Forum
> > http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
> > or go to thinkpads.com and link from there
> > E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "art" <art_at_courvilles.com>
> > To: <thinkpad_at_cs.utk.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: buying a thinkpad without microsoft is NOT POSSIBLE from
IBM
> >
> >
> > > Maybe you guys could start a new list for all the platform wars crap?
> > > This list is great for getting info about Thinkpads, but after a
couple
> > > hundred "I hate MS" rants, the S/N ratio is suffering.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > billy_at_MIX.COM wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill Morrow <penzance_at_gate.net> said -
> > > >
> > > > > well, you know, apple is partly owned by M$..
> > > >
> > > > Ack!! I had no idea......
> > > >
> > > > > but even so, it is not a thought that has not occured to me, as
well,
> > if for
> > > > > no other reason than to see what the "dark side of the force"
looks
> > like..
> > > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Well, now that their os is Unix-based it's not so bad. Even though
they
> > > > still have a lot of work to do on it they are making pretty good
> > progress
> > > > these days. In the pre-Unix past just holding down the mouse would
stop
> > > > most everything else running at the time.........
> > > >
> > > > I do use IE on the Macs - it's not only free, it's a lot slicker
than
> > > > IE on windows too. Of course it still crashes and occasionally
takes
> > > > down the whole computer just like on windows, but up until that
point
> > > > it's actually a real pleasure to use.
> > > >
> > > > > and this gives me a further thought..
> > > > > all thoughts of apple being a "closed" system vis-a-vis hardware
> > changes and
> > > > > plug and play aside, it occures to me to wonder if anyone has
> > cross-compiled
> > > > > or transported the Mac OS-X to an intel platform..
> > > >
> > > > That day is probably coming, although Apple seems to be primarily a
> > > > hardware vendor so it would not be in their best interests to
promote
> > > > that. It would be nice to see them put some pressure on ms tho,
heh..
> > > > If I could have a Thinkpad with their os on it that would definitely
> > > > be the best of both worlds.
> > > >
> > > > Billy Y..
> > >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Mick McQuaid, mcquaid_at_u.arizona.edu
> 520-621-4074 office / voice mail
>
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