From: Bruce Markowitz (scosgt_at_worldnet.att.net)
Date: Mon Dec 09 2002 - 12:33:18 EST
Stay away from the 300GL.
They do not have an AGP slot, and may not be upgradeable
300PL is the way to go
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cottrell, Eric" <ecottrell_at_doble.com>
To: "'Bruce Markowitz'" <scosgt_at_worldnet.att.net>; "Jeddy Lin"
<jeddylin_at_uclink.berkeley.edu>; "Dennis Breslin" <dbreslin_at_ctol.net>;
<100550.3170_at_compuserve.com>; <thinkpad_at_stderr.org>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] IBM But not Thnkpad request
> Hello,
>
> Yeah I see a whole bunch of those around. Microcenter is selling
> refurbished and used versions. Refurbished (seemingly by IBM) at
> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0147892
>
> CompGeeks has a bunch of 300GL and 300PL systems at cheaper prices than
> Microcenter.
> http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=SYS
>
> I think it is amazing the useful computers you can get for cheap
> money these days. My 366 MHz 600e is still useful and I feel that
> anything over 300 MHz is good for a general system. I tend to prefer
> IBM stuff because you can go to the web site and likely find drivers
> and updates. I picked up some P120 and P133 365X/XD laptops for
> around $25 dollars and was able to get support on the IBM website.
> This was a cheap upgrade from the 365ED I had (365ED is dead now).
>
> It is interesting what you can find at a ham fleamarket or a computer
> show/fleamarket. I keep an eye out for IBM stuff. I was able to
> get cheap batteries, port replicator, and AC adapters for my 600e.
> The batteries are still going strong a year later.
>
> I tend to build my systems and find it interesting the price overlaps
> between CPUs. I find in some cases it is cheaper to go to a newer
> CPU technology/motherboard/memory than to upgrade the old system.
> In one case I found it was cheaper to go with a 1.3 GHz Celeron and a
> slot one adapter from Powerleap than to buy a 850 or 1GHz 100 MHz Slot
> One P3!
>
> 73 Eric C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Markowitz [mailto:scosgt_at_worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 10:46 PM
> To: Jeddy Lin; Dennis Breslin; 100550.3170_at_compuserve.com;
> thinkpad_at_stderr.org
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] IBM But not Thnkpad request
>
>
> FWIW
> I have taken a bunch of 300PL IBM machines - you can get them stripped
down
> as cheap as $19.00 at the shows - no drives, no memory.
> They do have on board video (HORRIBLE), but have an NLX AGP slot, on board
> sound (crystal audio, not bad), on board 10/100 Ethernet (Excellent), two
> USB ports and all the standard ports.
> With a BIOS flash, you can use a one gig P3 (100FSB) or a one gig Celeron,
> or the 1.4 gig Tulatin (Celeron) from PowerLeap.com
> It can take ANY hard drive (I am running one with an 80 gig and two 40
gigs,
> no translation software required).
> Coupled with a 64MB Gloria 2 (Nvidia Quatro) video card, it is an awesome
> system, fast enough for video capture and DVD burning.
> Just a tip if someone wants to build a CHEAP fast system.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeddy Lin" <jeddylin_at_uclink.berkeley.edu>
> To: "Dennis Breslin" <dbreslin_at_ctol.net>; <100550.3170_at_compuserve.com>;
> <thinkpad_at_stderr.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] IBM But not Thnkpad request
>
>
> > Yes, the 486DX4 is not a 486SX -- I just didn't understand his post.
> >
> > Wasn't sure if he was looking specifically for a DX4-100 Overdrive for a
> > speed boost or if wanted any CPU replacement that has an fpu (math
> > coprocessor), since the major difference (against the DX) is that the
math
> > coprocessing unit is disabled on the SX. Generally, if socketed, the two
> > chips are swappable as long as their external bus speed is equal. The
same
> > should go for the DX2 and DX4, which handle clock multiplication
> > internally -- they still run at the same slower bus speed on the
outside.
> >
> > Overdrive CPUs are designed specifically to be CPU upgrades, but I meant
> > that I did not know the functional difference between the DX4 and the
DX4
> > Overdrive. It should be something about how Intel ran the confusing
> > "Vacancy" ad campaigns (if anyone remembers) -- the original Overdrive
> chips
> > were not meant to be drop-in replacements for the 486SX but instead they
> > plugged into their own Overdrive socket that disabled the original CPU.
> > AFAIK, this was before ZIF sockets became common. However, I can't
> remember
> > what Intel did for the DX4 Overdrives -- if they were intended to plug
> into
> > the 486SX-style Overdrive sockets or if they were meant to be CPU
> > replacments. And in case the chip he's looking for is a direct drop-in,
I
> > would be happy to pass along an old processor that I have no use for. =)
> >
> > Best,
> > Jeddy L.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dennis Breslin" <dbreslin_at_ctol.net>
> > To: <100550.3170_at_compuserve.com>; <thinkpad_at_stderr.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] IBM But not Thnkpad request
> >
> >
> > > A 486SX is not a DX4 but rather a hobbled older
> > > 486 chip. Mark needs to know whether the Aptiva mobo runs
> > > at 20, 25, or 33 Mhz. A DX4 Overdrive will provide
> > > a speed boost but limited by the motherboard's bus
> > > speed. An overdrive proc may not fit in the Aptiva's
> > > socket.
> > >
> > > Dennis Breslin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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