Re: [Thinkpad] Anyone using an IEEE-1394/Firewire PCMCIA card withT41?

Sorry but I'm not buying that for a moment. Data still there? Sure. But
I've taken a drive with XP on it and put on Red Hat (FAT32) without a single
problem. Then put on Longhorn. Then XP Media Center Edition. Then XP.
Then Red Hat again. Never had a problem on the drive. Was some of the
"erased" data still there? Maybe at some point but it won't matter.

There's no way you're going to convince me that my XP-supplied 1394 driver
still happens to be lurking out there and causing me this issue. Know why?
Because it happened when I had a different hard drive in there too.

So lets just get this off this out of the way, eh? Running the Recovery
process is NOT the solution this time.

>From: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
>To: "Starfire CT" <starfirect@hotmail.com>,<thinkpad@stderr.org>
>Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Anyone using an IEEE-1394/Firewire PCMCIA card
>withT41?
>Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 23:32:52 -0500
>
>Actually, you raise an interesting point....
>Do an FDISK and FORMAT on an NTFS drive with 2K
>Do a restore with a Win98SE recovery disk
>It will say that it is formatting and installing.
>But when you remove the CD and crank it up, guess what! 2K is STILL
>THERE!!!!
>I now use wipe.com which writes zeros to every sector. It is also the only
>way to get a recovery partition on a used drive with some recovery disks.
>If you were not able to do an erase, that might well be the problem - as
>the
>FBI knows, formatting leaves most everything on the disk, if you know how
>to
>get it. You might have some corrupted or partially installed files.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Starfire CT" <starfirect@hotmail.com>
>To: <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>; <thinkpad@stderr.org>
>Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Anyone using an IEEE-1394/Firewire PCMCIA card
>withT41?
>
>
> > Erase was attempted from the DFT with the 60GB but due to the firmware
>it
> > failed. Neat, eh?
> >
> > As to the FDISK not getting rid of everything, true, but when the
>restore
> > not only formats the drive in FAT32 but then copies over more data than
>it
> > plans to keep (since it needs a workspace to work on) and then converts
>the
> > drive to NTFS, odds are everything is gone.
> >
> > Anyway, here's a screen shot of my IEEE card plugged in
> > (http://www.starfire-inc.com/ebay/ibm_screen.jpg) and the drive NOT
>showing
> > up anywhere in Explorer. Please give me the benefit of the doubt that I
> > know how to plug in a FireWire cable and AC Adapter. And yes, the
>enclosure
> > works and the cable works because they've been tested on other machines.
> >
> > I would also appreciate from this point on to be given the ability to
>tell
> > you to shove your restore discs, the next time you suggest them, because
>a)
> > it only wasted 2 hours of my time to prove a point and b) it's NOT
>always
>a
> > viable solution to EVERY problem and c) given my experiences with XP,
>and
> > that no extra IBM driver was offered or required, there was no reason to
> > think that it would help.
> >
> > So, Mr. Restore, what would you do for your customer now?
> >
> > The question still remains, thought: might there be something wrong with
>the
> > hardware or is it still thought to be driver related?
> >
> >
> > >From: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
> > >To: "Starfire CT" <starfirect@hotmail.com>,<thinkpad@stderr.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Anyone using an IEEE-1394/Firewire PCMCIA card
> > >withT41?
> > >Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 22:13:11 -0500
> > >
> > >You know, if that was my customers machine and they were having all
>those
> > >problems, I would wipe the drive (using ERASE from the DFT or WIPE.COM
>from
> > >IBM) because a format or FDISK does NOT really get rid of everything.
>THEN
> > >I
> > >would do a complete restore. Sometimes that is the only way, and if
>that
> > >fails, there is some hardware problem.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Starfire CT" <starfirect@hotmail.com>
> > >To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> > >Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:08 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Anyone using an IEEE-1394/Firewire PCMCIA card
> > >withT41?
> > >
> > >
> > > > @Deanna - Yes, XP on all the machines I've tried it on. The Sony's
>have
> > > > 4pin 1394 build in and my Asus has it on the motherboard, but XP
>simply
> > > > supports it. I did some searches for drivers an ALL of the sites
>I've
> > >seen
> > > > says the same thing: no drive required. I would plug in a card
>into
>a
> > > > desktop but I don't have PCMCIA reader there and this is the only
> > >notebook
> > >I
> > > > have at the moment.
> > > >
> > > > @Bruce - There are no extra PCMCIA drives per IBM and they don't
>have
> > >their
> > > > own FireWire driver - it's all natively supported by XP - AND IBM
> > >SUPPORTS
> > > > ME INSTALLING MY OWN COPY OF XP WITHOUT USING THEIR RESTORE OPTION!
>For
> > > > feck's sake, pay attention: please don't MAKE me post the help
>document
> > >that
> > > > tells me I can do this if I want to. Further more if you don't have
> > > > anything that is helpful for me on my emails, please stop responding
> > >because
> > > > you are NOT helpful in these situations. The initial crashes were
> > >caused
> > > > from IBM driver like Access Connections and AHP and were still
>happening
> > > > WHEN I USED THE RESTORE DISCs. So how does reinstalling their
>faulty
> > > > software help me in this or any other problem? It doesn't!
> > > >
> > > > The question I have is if I've got issues with the Intel WiFi card,
>and
> > >the
> > > > hard drive protection, and the booting off a USB drive, and swapped
> > >memory
> > > > with a new module, AND now this PCMCIA issue... well doesn't that
> > >strange?
> > > >
> > > > I did order an IBM a/b/g WiFi card tonight to try in the machine
> > >sometime
> > > > this week... I'm hoping the IBM drivers are better than the Intel
> > >drivers,
> > > > but I also upgraded my WiFi AP to 11g. If I drop that in and it
>can't
> > > > connect to anything either, it's high time I send the machine in for
>a
> > >new
> > > > motherboard or something.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
> > > > >To: "Starfire CT" <starfirect@hotmail.com>,<thinkpad@stderr.org>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Anyone using an IEEE-1394/Firewire PCMCIA
>card
> > >with
> > > > >T41?
> > > > >Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:52:18 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Now wait.......
> > > > >Isn't this the machine that you absolutely refused to do an IBM
> > >install,
> > > > >instead choosing to use a generic copy of XP and manually install
>the
> > > > >drivers????
> > > > >If that is the case , it seems to me that we have been down this
>road
> > > > >before - you are probably missing some needed drivers and files.
> > > > >I have had a very hard time educating people that laptops are
>DIFFERENT
> > > > >than
> > > > >desktops and they just don't work right if you don't do a proper
>setup,
> > > > >which is always best when done with the factory recovery CD.
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Starfire CT" <starfirect@hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> > > > >Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 4:06 PM
> > > > >Subject: [Thinkpad] Anyone using an IEEE-1394/Firewire PCMCIA card
>with
> > > > >T41?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've gotten two different PCMCIA cards to try to hook up an
>external
> > >HD
> > > > >via
> > > > > > FireWire. One card has 3 ports on it, the other has 2 ports.
>XP
> > > > >recognizes
> > > > > > the card just fine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I use the 3 port card with my external HD/enclosure, it
>finds
> > >the
> > > > >drive
> > > > > > for a second and then loses it. When I use the 2 port card, it
> > >stays
> > > > > > visible but XP tells me it has issues when writing to the drive
> > >because
> > > > >it
> > > > > > might be "missing". In all trials I've hooked up the drives to
>an
> > > > >external
> > > > > > power supply, so they are definately getting enough power to
>spin.
> > > > >Without
> > > > > > the adapater the 2 port sends NO power at all and the 3 port
>sends
> > >some
> > > > >but
> > > > > > not enough to fully spin the drive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The current drive works fine in its current enclosure via the
>USB2
> > >port.
> > > > > > I've tried the cards with different enclosures and different
>drives
> > >(and
> > > > >all
> > > > > > of this hardware has worked fine when I used them with the
>on-board
> > >1394
> > > > > > ports of my old Sony notebooks and on my current desktop (ASUS
> > >onboard
> > > > > > 1394)) so I doubt it's either of them. The PCMCIA cards came
>from
> > > > >different
> > > > > > source and made by different manufacturers so I can't believe
> > >they're
> > > > >both
> > > > > > shot, but I've only got access to one notebook so I can't test
>that
> > > > >theory.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So has anyone else tried this? I'm beginning to wonder if I've
> > >gotten
> > >a
> > > > > > "troubled" machine here... the USB support is iffy: booting
>doesn't
> > >work
> > > > > > with anything but a floppy drive and only a couple enclosures
>have
> > > > >worked
> > > > > > 100% - it chokes on USB/HD's or USB Keydrives. My Intel WiFi
>card
> > >is
> > > > >iffy:
> > > > > > the current one works most times (assuming the crashing has been
> > >driver
> > > > > > related) but when I got a replacement card, it wouldn't connect
>to
> > >ANY
> > > > > > network (and it sees three of them). Now 2 out of 2
>FireWire/PCMCIA
> > > > >cards
> > > > > > act weird, whenever a drive is plugged in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And yet I still love the notebook. Go figure... I don't know
>that
>I
> > >can
> > > > > > part with it long enough for service, though. I mean I would if
>I
> > >had
> > > > >to
> > > > > > and there was definately something wrong, but sending it in just
> > > > >"because
> > > > > > it's been sorta weird" seems like it's a waste of time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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