Re: [Thinkpad] 600E/Win98SE: (still) no sound *from speakers*

First of all , whe you say there is sound through the headphone jack, are
you using an audio CD?
Since you have plugged into the jack, now you need to check that the jack
itself is not shorted. That will turn off your speakers.
you should read the install instructions on the IBM site. Some things don't
work if you don't follow the directions and do it their way.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Wenzel" <cacx1999@gmx.net>
To: <Thinkpad@stderr.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] 600E/Win98SE: (still) no sound *from speakers*

Another try:

> Again, the fact that you say the speakers work in XP indicates that this
is
> not a hardware problem - if the hardware works in XP, then for sure it
> should work in 98.
Yes, I don't believe there is a hardware problem, either. The big problem
is, I neither can locate a software problem.

> Did you install 98 from an IBM recovery disk?
I don't have a recovery disk. I had just the Thinkpad and the drive with XP
installed it was delivered with. I installed Win 98 SE from a retail CD onto
the new hard drive. Actually, it was an upgrade CD which asked for the CD of
a previous Windows version while installing (there was no Windows on the HD
at that moment, just MS-DOS 6.2.2). I used a OEM CD of Windows 95 OSR2,
which the setup scanned and accepted. After the setup, I added all the
freshly dl'd IBM drivers and utilities.

> I have seen a case where the Fn combination did not work - that was a
> motherboard problem.
You stated above that there doesn't seem to be a hardware problem? But
meanwhile, there were some other strange things happening which IMO *could*
point into that direction (I'll describe them later).

Personally, I still find this unlogical:
- Audio drivers that work over the headphone jack, but not over the
speakers, and do seemingly (as reported by the OS) not have any resource
conflicts or the like.
- The hardware (esp. the speakers) working perfectly on the same Thinkpad
with a different OS.
These two don't seem to fit together.
But in the meantime I asked the hardware guru from our company which I
consider quite smart (which IMO is not the rule) who also thinks that that's
possible (at least under Windows 98). But he also didn't have a solution to
offer (he's not exactly a Thinkpad specialist).
But what to do then?
There's little I can do but downloading and installing the latest audio
drivers from IBM and checking device manager for conflicts (and there's
little doubt that I have the correct and latest drivers: Audio driver for
Windows 95/98 - ThinkPad 600E, 770X/Z; Version 2.88; Release Date 2000/10/31
<http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/license.do?filename=mobiles/aftpcw
9x.exe>).
My favorite suspects are: the Thinkpad configuration software by IBM which
might mute the speakers in some way or (something I didn't think of until
now) the DOS configuration which might in some way restrict Windows' ability
to address the speakers.
Any ideas for that?

In addition, I recently had some other strange experiences with this
Thinkpad:
- Windows suddenly stopped to load with the last line in bootlog.txt being
"loadsuccess=<Windows directory>\ifshlp.sys ³, then freezing. I had to do a
complete restore, which gave me back Windows and the apps, but still no
sound, of course.
- The computer freezing when starting the previous version of MS-DOS (MS-DOS
6.2.2) after the line "Starting MS-DOS³ when using this option from the
Windows 98 start menu, but also, when trying to boot from a MS-DOS 6.2.2
boot disk (I've never seen happen that before). DOS 7.1 (from Windows 98)
booted fine both from the Windows 98 start menu and from a disk. I
re-flashed the BIOS (although it already had the latest BIOS before, version
1.16 (INET36WW)). That helped. But it didn't change anything in regard to
the missing speaker sound in Win 98.
All that adds up to something I see as weird behavior of this machine. There
*might* be a hardware problem, after all?

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Wenzel" <cacx1999@gmx.net>
> To: <Thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 9:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Thinkad] 600E/Win98SE: no sound from speakers
>
>
>> Thanks for the suggestion, but ... (see below)
>>
>>> Press and hold down the correct Fn keys to raise the volume all the way,
>>> even though you don't hear anything.
>>> Thinkpad's software volume control has little control over the Windows
>>
>>> Master settings, merely acting as an attenuator.
>>
>> ... I already tried this, to no avail.
>>
>>> Open Control Panel, Sounds, and Volume Control.
>>> The Master Panel settings may need adjusting. There are volume settings
> for
>>> wav, cd, etc. Make sure the microphone setting is muted.
>>
>> I also tried that before (except for the muting of the microphone,
checked
>> this again, doesn't change a thing). I also reinstalled the drivers.
>> As I wrote, the sound comes well through the headphone jack.
>> When you mute it in Windows, you lose it over the headphones, too.
>> Windows sound settings don't seem to be part of the solution.
>>
>>> If that all fails, you may have a bad internal speaker connection, or
> busted
>>> wire. You'll need top open up the laptop and trace the two speaker wires
> all
>>> the way to the audio output jack on the mainboard.
>>> Matt
>>
>> As I already wrote: The speaker sound is okay when I replace the hard
> drive
>> with the one that has XP installed, but it's gone with the other drive
> under
>> Win98. In addition, even with Win98, I can hear the system beeps from the
>> speakers loud and clear. So there isn't an electrical problem with the
>> speakers, I presume. It's just WAVs, MIDIs and the like missing, and only
>> over the speakers, not over headphones.
>> This problem really drives me nuts. It is very, very strange.
>>
>>>> No, its probably *not* a driver problem.
>>>> Let me restate: The sound *does* come well over the headphone jack.
>>>> It just doesn't come over the speakers.
>>>> If the drivers wouldn't work, I obviously couldn't hear music over
>>>> headphones.
>>>> So I'm willing to believe the device manager that everything is okay
> with
>>>> Window's drivers.
>>>> Let me also restate that the Fn key combinations for volume up/down and
>>>> muting don't seem to work (no effect even when listening over
> headphones),
>>>> while other Fn keys work.
>>>> It looks like it's stuck with some kind of muting for the speakers
> (that
>>>> doesn't work for the headphones).
>>>> And yes, it's definitely a 600E (type 2645-4A0, serial no. 550C25L
> 02/99,
>>>> system board serial no. J19RM9134DY).
>>>>
>>>>> Since the sound works under XP, this is obviously a driver problem.
> Are
>>> you
>>>>> sure this is a 600E? Check the type and part number in the BIOS -
>>> someone
>>>>> may have changed the keyboard, in which case you could have the wrong
>>>>> drivers. XP self-installs the proper drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> two weeks ago, I bought a used TP 600E on ebay.
>>>>>> It has the latest BIOS (INET36WW) and was delivered with XP on a 4
> gig
>>> hd.
>>>>>> For me, this drive was too small and I don't have an XP install CD,
> so
>>> I
>>>>>> installed Win 98 SE on a 20 gig hd.
>>>>>> I also installed the configuration utility and all the latest drivers
>>> (all
>>>>>> but the separate modem driver, because a modem driver seems to be
>>>>>> incorporated in the audio driver; I don't need the modem anyway and
>>> don't
>>>>>> even have a way to test it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything looks well in the device manager, but:
>>>>>> I get no sound from the speakers except for system beeps.
>>>>>> The strange thing is that sound *does* come okay over headphones!
>>>>>> (This is, if I read other posts correctly, different from other's
>>>>> problems).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another maybe related point:
>>>>>> Fn keys seem to work but not the volume related ones (vol. up/down,
>>> mute)
>>>>>> I also installed the on-screen display utility, but that doesn't seem
>>> to
>>>>> do
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The speaker sound *did* work well in XP when I first tried it after I
>>> got
>>>>>> it. Meanwhile, I even reinstalled the 4 gig hd with XP still on it:
> the
>>>>>> sound is there (but neither volume Fn keys nor On Screen display work
>>> in
>>>>> XP,
>>>>>> like in 98). When I put the Win98 drive back in, the sound is gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I played with the DOS utility too, but that doesn't semm to relate to
>>> the
>>>>>> Windows settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another odd (probably unrelated) thing is that Windows insists on
> being
>>>>>> docked (while it actually isn't and has never been since the
> install),
>>> so
>>>>> I
>>>>>> see a "Disconnect PC" (I don't know if that's the correct English
>>>>>> expression, as mine is a German system) in the start menu just above
>>> the
>>>>>> Shutdown.
>>>>>> When i try to "disconnect", I get an error or the machine freezes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for help.
>>
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Received on Tue Jun 1 20:07:39 2004