Re: [Thinkpad] VISTA S*CKS!

Hello, sorry, I feel compelled to jump in....

I don't think Bruce is biased, much less he's misinformed, or 'blindly
believe a first impression' --- he may use strong words occasionally (but
not excessively so this time) and his post is actually quite a fair general
representation of the same experiences of the people I know. In fact, what
they said about Vista is a lot less complimentary than what Bruce did.

Vista may offer more eye-candy than XP, but for an enduser there's not much
of a compelling reason for shelving out money at this moment. The most
important thing for me is that a particular piece of software works as
intended, i.e. deliver the goods, at a price commensurate with its benefits.
Big corporations have the money so cost is not a consideration, but for home
users the cost/benefits consideration is just not convincing.

On 26/11/2007, Randy L Santossio <starfirect@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Now, now, I never said that. I said you are promoting or harboring a
> moronic opinion. That could mean you're biased or misinformed or simply
> choose to blindly believe a first impression.
>
> None of that makes you a moron.
>
>
>
> > From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net> To: starfirect@hotmail.com;
> shrinkwrap86@hotmail.com; thinkpad@stderr.org> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad]
> VISTA S*CKS!> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:28:09 -0500> > OK< so I'm a moron.
> Bye> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy L Santossio" <
> starfirect@hotmail.com>> To: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>;
> "Stuart Friedman"> <shrinkwrap86@hotmail.com>; <thinkpad@stderr.org>>
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:14 PM> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] VISTA
> S*CKS!> > > > Uh, have you used it? I'm not being glib about it - it's an
> honest> question.> >> > The new UI beats the hell out of Office XP. Faster,
> on all of the> machines I've used it on. Whole new views for your data. The
> saved files> in 2007 are XML based - so more transferable - and much smaller
> which is a> nice to have. All of the themed controls of Word and PowerPoint
> allow for> really slick graphics work with one or two clicks, things that
> weren't> available to Office 2003, much less Office
> XP. Not to mention all of the> collaborative options and sharing stuff,
> when you store things in the cloud.> >> > Maybe you mean to say "there's no
> advantage that Office 2007 has that> means anything to me and I'm still
> happy with Office XP" but to say there's> no advantage between the two is...
> well, moronic. There are a ton of new> and innovative features between
> Office XP and 2007. I mean, you're entitled> to your opinion - you'll just
> be wrong.And what's with the M$ - I thought> that was only used by /.
> readers?> >> >> >> > > From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net> To:
> starfirect@hotmail.com;> shrinkwrap86@hotmail.com; thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] VISTA> S*CKS!> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:45:21
> -0500> > No NO, there is no> advantage to Office 2007 over Office 2K, just
> more money> for M$.> ----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Randy L
> Santossio" <starfirect@hotmail.com>>> To: "Bruce Markowitz" <
> scosgt@worldnet.att.net>; "Stuart Friedman">> <shrinkwrap86@hotmail.co
> m>; <thinkpad@stderr.org>> Sent: Sunday, November> 25, 2007 8:37 PM>
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] VISTA S*CKS!> > > > A few things:>> >> > I'm not
> telling you to upgrade to Vista - I'm just pointing out that> a)> there are
> solutions to your problems if you want to upgrade, b) your>> expectations
> that all-things-will-work-on-a-new-OS is simply unrealistic,>> and c) your
> experience wasn't mine (since I'm running Vista on four>> machines - one of
> which is a T60p - with no trouble). I've seen apps break>> across something
> as small as 10.4.5 to 10.4.6 i> > n OSX - you went from 5.0.2> to 6.0which is often a quantum leap between> OS versoins.> >> > And yes, SP1 and
> SP2 didn't come out in 2001, but the> core of the OS was> released in 2001.
> I don't care if SP9 of Windows 2000> comes out tomorrow -> it's still an 8
> year old OS.> >> > Further, you can> use DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, and Word
> for Windows 2.0 on> your T60 - Microsoft> isn't stopping you. The question
> I would have is how> produc
> tive or> effective will you be if you use it compare to XP and Office>
> 2000 or Vista> and Office 2007? And if you're more productive with an
> abacus> and slide> rule, good for you, but it doesn't mean that it's what
> the> majority of the> world will want :)> >> >> >> > > From:
> scosgt@worldnet.att.net> To:> starfirect@hotmail.com;>
> shrinkwrap86@hotmail.com; thinkpad@stderr.org>> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad]
> VISTA> S*CKS!> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007> 20:29:10 -0500> > Sure, but what does
> it DO> for me? (that XP does not)?>> And just for the record, XP Service
> Packs 1 and>> > 2 are MUCH newer than 2001> And there is supposedly a SP3 in
> the works.>>> Besides, if I pay M$ outrageous price for software (such as
> Office 2K) why>>> shouldn't I be able to use it until the next millenium if
> I want to?> ----- > > Original Message ----- > From: "Randy L Santossio"> <
> starfirect@hotmail.com>>> To: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>;>
> "Stuart Friedman">> <shrinkwrap86@hotmail.com>; <thinkpad@
> stderr.org>> Sent:> Sunday, November> 25, 2007 8:25 PM> Subject: Re:
> [Thinkpad] VISTA S*CKS!> >> > > I think it> comes down to expectations.> >>
> > You upgraded the OS from> something> originally built in 2001 to
> something> newly released in 2006 and> you> expected all of the applications
> to continue> > > to work without any> updates from their respective
> manufacturers? And> how> exactly is it> Microsoft's fault that other ISV's
> either want to charge> for> upgrades or> don't bother to fix their
> software?> >> > I'd call that> wholly unrealistic.> And I wouldn't attempt
> to run No> > rton> Navigator [for> Windows 95] on your new box.FWIW, I've
> installed> Vista over> XP and Office> 2003 continued to work - not sure what
> went on> there, but it's> worked for> me. I recall seeing a fix for the USB
> thing> either on Lenovo's> site or via> a Vista patch. And for stuff that
> seems> unhappy in Vista, try> running it in> XP's compatibility mode (an
> option on> Properties on Shortcuts)> or r
> unning> it as Administrator. I can't tell you> how many software apps>
> I've seen that> attempt to write something to C:\ or> C:\Program Files ->
> that's just bad> coding by a Windows programmer.> > JM2C> of course. But
> along the same lines,> I have to laugh at this.> People> bitched and moaned
> that XP was old and they> wanted somethi> > ng new and>> shiny - then Vista
> comes around and people bitch and moan> that it's simply>> different. Ah
> well. Such is life.> >> >> >> > > From:>> scosgt@worldnet.att.net> To:
> scosgt@worldnet.att.net;>>> shrinkwrap86@hotmail.com; thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Date: Sun,> > 25 Nov 2007>> 20:01:11 -0500> Subject: [Thinkpad] VISTA
> S*CKS!> > Well,> just to try it, I>> installed Vista Ultimate over an
> existing new> install> or IBM XP on a high>> end T60 (Duo 2 Ghz, 2GIG RAM,
> Hypermemory video>> card). The install went>> fine. I had to spend quite a
> bit of time updating>> drivers (video, power,>> USB, audio (which always
> errors out) and a few>> others. All w
> as up and>> running BUT> And here is the BIG BUT> Most of the> pre-Vista
> stuff DOES NOT>> WORK!> I could not open an Office Word .doc -> apparently
> it wants me to>> purchase> the new version of MS Office (DUH)>> AutoGK
> (makes .avi files)>> would not work, errors out> USB drives have to> be
> inserted twice, the first>> time it gives a driver> install error>>
> PowerDVD> > gives a compatibility error>> Now this machine did not have
> much> on it,> but what there was did not work!>> F*CK MicroSoft. I am not
> about to> buy> all> > new software so they can make> money.> XP is fine. I'm
> sticking> with>> it.> That's my ra> > nt and I'm sticking with it.> And not
> to mention, it> killed> my recovery> partition, so I had to re-install> from
> the CD's> I am> not a> conspiracy> nut, but is there anyone who thinks this
> is not>> deliberate?> >>> _______________________________________________>
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Bernard Chan
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