Re: [Thinkpad] VISTA S*CKS!

I'm sure Microsoft would call that a huge advantage to them!

Plus don't forget that Office 2007 uses their new XML-based proprietary
format, so other office software will be much less likely to be able to
use those files. And that leads to more lock-in and even MORE money for M$.

Chris

Bruce Markowitz wrote:
> No NO, there is no advantage to Office 2007 over Office 2K, just more money
> for M$.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy L Santossio" <starfirect@hotmail.com>
> To: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>; "Stuart Friedman"
> <shrinkwrap86@hotmail.com>; <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] VISTA S*CKS!
>
>
>> A few things:
>>
>> I'm not telling you to upgrade to Vista - I'm just pointing out that a)
> there are solutions to your problems if you want to upgrade, b) your
> expectations that all-things-will-work-on-a-new-OS is simply unrealistic,
> and c) your experience wasn't mine (since I'm running Vista on four
> machines - one of which is a T60p - with no trouble). I've seen apps break
> across something as small as 10.4.5 to 10.4.6 in OSX - you went from 5.0.2
> to 6.0 which is often a quantum leap between OS versoins.
>> And yes, SP1 and SP2 didn't come out in 2001, but the core of the OS was
> released in 2001. I don't care if SP9 of Windows 2000 comes out tomorrow -
> it's still an 8 year old OS.
>> Further, you can use DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, and Word for Windows 2.0 on
> your T60 - Microsoft isn't stopping you. The question I would have is how
> productive or effective will you be if you use it compare to XP and Office
> 2000 or Vista and Office 2007? And if you're more productive with an abacus
> and slide rule, good for you, but it doesn't mean that it's what the
> majority of the world will want :)
>>
>>
>>> From: scosgt@worldnet.att.net> To: starfirect@hotmail.com;
> shrinkwrap86@hotmail.com; thinkpad@stderr.org> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] VISTA
> S*CKS!> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:29:10 -0500> > Sure, but what does it DO
> for me? (that XP does not)?> And just for the record, XP Service Packs 1 and
> 2 are MUCH newer than 2001> And there is supposedly a SP3 in the works.>
> Besides, if I pay M$ outrageous price for software (such as Office 2K) why>
> shouldn't I be able to use it until the next millenium if I want to?> -----
> Original Message ----- > From: "Randy L Santossio" <starfirect@hotmail.com>>
> To: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>; "Stuart Friedman">
> <shrinkwrap86@hotmail.com>; <thinkpad@stderr.org>> Sent: Sunday, November
> 25, 2007 8:25 PM> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] VISTA S*CKS!> > > > I think it
> comes down to expectations.> >> > You upgraded the OS from something
> originally built in 2001 to something> newly released in 2006 and you
> expected all of the applications to continue
>> > to work without any updates from their respective manufacturers? And
> how> exactly is it Microsoft's fault that other ISV's either want to charge
> for> upgrades or don't bother to fix their software?> >> > I'd call that
> wholly unrealistic. And I wouldn't attempt to run Norton> Navigator [for
> Windows 95] on your new box.FWIW, I've installed Vista over> XP and Office
> 2003 continued to work - not sure what went on there, but it's> worked for
> me. I recall seeing a fix for the USB thing either on Lenovo's> site or via
> a Vista patch. And for stuff that seems unhappy in Vista, try> running it in
> XP's compatibility mode (an option on Properties on Shortcuts)> or running
> it as Administrator. I can't tell you how many software apps> I've seen that
> attempt to write something to C:\ or C:\Program Files -> that's just bad
> coding by a Windows programmer.> > JM2C of course. But along the same lines,
> I have to laugh at this.> People bitched and moaned that XP was old and they
> wanted somethi
>> ng new and> shiny - then Vista comes around and people bitch and moan
> that it's simply> different. Ah well. Such is life.> >> >> >> > > From:
> scosgt@worldnet.att.net> To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net;>
> shrinkwrap86@hotmail.com; thinkpad@stderr.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007>
> 20:01:11 -0500> Subject: [Thinkpad] VISTA S*CKS!> > Well, just to try it, I>
> installed Vista Ultimate over an existing new> install or IBM XP on a high>
> end T60 (Duo 2 Ghz, 2GIG RAM, Hypermemory video> card). The install went>
> fine. I had to spend quite a bit of time updating> drivers (video, power,>
> USB, audio (which always errors out) and a few> others. All was up and>
> running BUT> And here is the BIG BUT> Most of the pre-Vista stuff DOES NOT>
> WORK!> I could not open an Office Word .doc - apparently it wants me to>
> purchase> the new version of MS Office (DUH)> AutoGK (makes .avi files)>
> would not work, errors out> USB drives have to be inserted twice, the first>
> time it gives a driver> install error> PowerDVD
>> gives a compatibility error>> Now this machine did not have much on it,
> but what there was did not work!>> F*CK MicroSoft. I am not about to buy
> all> > new software so they can make> money.> XP is fine. I'm sticking with>
> it.> That's my rant and I'm sticking with it.> And not to mention, it
> killed> my recovery partition, so I had to re-install> from the CD's> I am
> not a> conspiracy nut, but is there anyone who thinks this is not>
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