Re: [Thinkpad] Thinkpad Digest, Vol 49, Issue 17

hi all:
this is the first time to post in this email.
i am trying to backup a clean system xp....
actually i just fresh installed xp and all drivers...and my softwaress..

just wondering how can i ghost all systerm into a cdr?? so i can
restore the free system in less than 10mins,,,,, i am so tired of
installing those drivers and programs..

thank you

Chuan

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> 3. Magnets and Discs (david.stickney)
> 4. Re: Need New Hard Drive (Bruce Markowitz)
> 5. Re: Need New Hard Drive (Pretty Good Computer Services)
> 6. Re: Need New Hard Drive (Bruce Markowitz)
> 7. Re: Thinkpad Digest, Vol 49, Issue 7 (Bruce Blumberg)
> 8. Re: Magnets and Discs (mje@foxall.com.au)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:07:13 -0400
> From: "Colgrove, George" <George.Colgrove@state.vt.us>
> Subject: [Thinkpad] Need New Hard Drive
> To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
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> I would like to buy a new hard drive for my T41. I want to save a buck
> - if possible. I want a Hitachi TravelStar Drive because of the former
> IBM roots. My belief is that the TravelStar has all the features the
> ThinkVantage software and the ThinkPad in general takes advantage of. I
> am not positive that other manufacturers provide all the features the
> ThinkPad looks for. (I'm not sure - nor specific as to what I am
> looking for in features). I am assuming a TravelStar is the best fit
> for a ThinkPad - is this assumption correct? If not - what manufacturer
> produces the most durable drive for long lasting use for the buck?
>
>
>
> My primary concern is speed. I would like the fastest drive available,
> but would also like stability as well. It seems 7200 speed drives are
> flakey at times - and die quite abruptly. Are 5400 drives more durable
> for longer lasting life? And therefore is it better to buy a 5400 speed
> drive to endure longevity?
>
>
>
> Finally, where is a good outlet that backs the products they sell and
> has great prices for quality products? I use Tiger Direct normally. Is
> there a better place to check out?
>
>
>
> Lastly: What type of hard drive am I looking for? EIDE? ATA?, SATA?
> What size cache is ideal? What size disk offers the best longevity?
>
>
>
> George W. Colgrove III
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:29:08 -0500
> From: Rob Bell <RobDBell@mailworks.org>
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] John M. Higgins
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:50:00 +0100
> From: "david.stickney" <david.stickney@ntlworld.com>
> Subject: [Thinkpad] Magnets and Discs
> To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Message-ID: <000d01c80a7b$4ac24540$030ba8c0@a64>
>
> FWIW, we experimented some years ago with big speaker magnets and 5.25"
> floppies, where you could get intimately close to the disc surface. It
> didn't erase the data. We also tried a bulk tape eraser - that didn't work
> either. I was gob-smacked. I do appreciate that the magnetic physics may
> well be different on modern hard drives, but I suspect their hysteresis loop
> is even harder and less affected by external fields. So it's almost
> impossible to destroy data on them if someone really wants to recover it.
> (Except of course, when the drive fails with your non-backed-up stuff...)
>
> I think you're back to physically destroying the disc to be sure. Even the
> hi-G concrete wall will only destroy the head mechanism, and may not even
> dent the disc (apart from a tiny mark in one place only). People can even
> remount discs in a new drive, in extremis.
>
> Time to eat the refund, I think.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:08:16 -0400
> From: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Need New Hard Drive
> To: "Colgrove, George" <George.Colgrove@state.vt.us>,
> <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Message-ID: <002b01c80a7d$d8504c70$71cac646@X20>
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> I would stay far away from Hitachi drives, I have had many sudden deaths. I
> replaced my dead drive with a Seagate 7200 100 GIG from newegg, it was just
> over $100
> It has a 5 year warranty I think, we'll see how it goes.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colgrove, George" <George.Colgrove@state.vt.us>
> To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:07 AM
> Subject: [Thinkpad] Need New Hard Drive
>
>
> > I would like to buy a new hard drive for my T41. I want to save a buck
> > - if possible. I want a Hitachi TravelStar Drive because of the former
> > IBM roots. My belief is that the TravelStar has all the features the
> > ThinkVantage software and the ThinkPad in general takes advantage of. I
> > am not positive that other manufacturers provide all the features the
> > ThinkPad looks for. (I'm not sure - nor specific as to what I am
> > looking for in features). I am assuming a TravelStar is the best fit
> > for a ThinkPad - is this assumption correct? If not - what manufacturer
> > produces the most durable drive for long lasting use for the buck?
> >
> >
> >
> > My primary concern is speed. I would like the fastest drive available,
> > but would also like stability as well. It seems 7200 speed drives are
> > flakey at times - and die quite abruptly. Are 5400 drives more durable
> > for longer lasting life? And therefore is it better to buy a 5400 speed
> > drive to endure longevity?
> >
> >
> >
> > Finally, where is a good outlet that backs the products they sell and
> > has great prices for quality products? I use Tiger Direct normally. Is
> > there a better place to check out?
> >
> >
> >
> > Lastly: What type of hard drive am I looking for? EIDE? ATA?, SATA?
> > What size cache is ideal? What size disk offers the best longevity?
> >
> >
> >
> > George W. Colgrove III
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Thinkpad mailing list
> > Thinkpad@stderr.org
> > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 07:29:40 -0700
> From: "Pretty Good Computer Services" <canyonlands@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Need New Hard Drive
> To: "Colgrove, George" <George.Colgrove@state.vt.us>, "Thinkpad
> Mailing List" <Thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Message-ID:
> <69363c910710090729t64e64673w46e72d579732f920@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Using a Hitachi drive, with their failure rates (highest in the industry for
> 2.5" drives) is of dubious value. Seagate, Toshiba, Samsung, and Western
> Digital drives all work just great, and are now used in many lots of Lenovo
> drives. Seagate is the last one to make the drives in the US. Seagate is
> the only one to offer a five-year warranty. Samsung reportedly will soon
> follow. The Toshiba does not have a drive fitness test, but otherwise is
> among the most reliable, in our experience.
> After using more than 1000 drives in laptop repairs and upgrades for
> insurance and realty companies, and government agencies in four states, we
> find the best reliability comes with 5400 rpm Seagate and Toshiba drives.
> Western Digital is a good third. Reliability drops significantly with all
> brands when you use drives of 7200 rpm, or larger than 100 GB... a quality,
> long-lasting drive larger than 80 GB with 7200 rpm does not yet exist, for
> certain.
>
> If you need speed, get a 40 GB 7200 rpm drive. Larger ones have troubles.
>
> I cannot think of a reason to use a Hitachi TravelStar... aptly named the
> DeathStar by Bruce .
>
> As for which drive, it depends on the computer. Some X-series Thinkpads use
> a proprietary 1.8 inch 4200 rpm drive made only by Hitachi... which is a
> good reason to use Hitachi.
>
> Others require a high ATA number for newer machines, but any new OEM drive
> will have the highest ATA. The T-41 requires ATA 100 or higher for best
> results.
>
> SATA drives are an entirely different animal. You can find the specs for all
> drives on the www Lenovo com site. No T-41, T-42, or T-43 computer uses SATA
> drives.
>
> >From a repair and reliability standpoint, the idea T-41 drive is an 80 GB
> 5400 rpm Seagate Momentus, Toshiba, Western Digital Scorpio, or Samsung...
> Hitachi is way behind in my biased estimation. We won't have enough
> reliability information on the 100 GB, 120 GB, 160 GB, and 200 GB drives
> for another year or two. Most manufacturers will conquor the problem with
> the 7200 rpm drives. I expect we will see reliabile 10,000 rpm drives as
> well. But we will still have the heat problem in a laptop that will reduce
> longevity.
>
> The meek will inherit the earth. But not yet.
>
> RayBay
>
>
> On 10/9/07, Colgrove, George <George.Colgrove@state.vt.us> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to buy a new hard drive for my T41. I want to save a buck
> > - if possible. I want a Hitachi TravelStar Drive because of the former
> > IBM roots. My belief is that the TravelStar has all the features the
> > ThinkVantage software and the ThinkPad in general takes advantage of. I
> > am not positive that other manufacturers provide all the features the
> > ThinkPad looks for. (I'm not sure - nor specific as to what I am
> > looking for in features). I am assuming a TravelStar is the best fit
> > for a ThinkPad - is this assumption correct? If not - what manufacturer
> > produces the most durable drive for long lasting use for the buck?
> >
> > My primary concern is speed. I would like the fastest drive available,
> > but would also like stability as well. It seems 7200 speed drives are
> > flakey at times - and die quite abruptly. Are 5400 drives more durable
> > for longer lasting life? And therefore is it better to buy a 5400 speed
> > drive to endure longevity?
> >
> > Finally, where is a good outlet that backs the products they sell and
> > has great prices for quality products? I use Tiger Direct normally. Is
> > there a better place to check out?
> >
> > Lastly: What type of hard drive am I looking for? EIDE? ATA?, SATA?
> > What size cache is ideal? What size disk offers the best longevity?
> >
> > George W. Colgrove III
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Thinkpad mailing list
> > Thinkpad@stderr.org
> > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad
> >
>
>
>
> --
> __________________
>
> We don't stop playing because we turn old,
> but turn old because we stop playing.
>
> Satchel Paige
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:37:19 -0400
> From: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Need New Hard Drive
> To: <canyonlands@gmail.com>, "Colgrove, George"
> <George.Colgrove@state.vt.us>, "Thinkpad Mailing List"
> <Thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Message-ID: <003801c80a81$e7017330$71cac646@X20>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I agree about the Toshiba drives, I have had only one or two failures out of
> many drives. I also like the Western Digital drives a lot, but they seem to
> be hard to come by.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pretty Good Computer Services" <canyonlands@gmail.com>
> To: "Colgrove, George" <George.Colgrove@state.vt.us>; "Thinkpad Mailing
> List" <Thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Need New Hard Drive
>
>
> > Using a Hitachi drive, with their failure rates (highest in the industry
> for
> > 2.5" drives) is of dubious value. Seagate, Toshiba, Samsung, and Western
> > Digital drives all work just great, and are now used in many lots of
> Lenovo
> > drives. Seagate is the last one to make the drives in the US. Seagate is
> > the only one to offer a five-year warranty. Samsung reportedly will soon
> > follow. The Toshiba does not have a drive fitness test, but otherwise is
> > among the most reliable, in our experience.
> > After using more than 1000 drives in laptop repairs and upgrades for
> > insurance and realty companies, and government agencies in four states, we
> > find the best reliability comes with 5400 rpm Seagate and Toshiba drives.
> > Western Digital is a good third. Reliability drops significantly with all
> > brands when you use drives of 7200 rpm, or larger than 100 GB... a
> quality,
> > long-lasting drive larger than 80 GB with 7200 rpm does not yet exist, for
> > certain.
> >
> > If you need speed, get a 40 GB 7200 rpm drive. Larger ones have troubles.
> >
> > I cannot think of a reason to use a Hitachi TravelStar... aptly named the
> > DeathStar by Bruce .
> >
> > As for which drive, it depends on the computer. Some X-series Thinkpads
> use
> > a proprietary 1.8 inch 4200 rpm drive made only by Hitachi... which is a
> > good reason to use Hitachi.
> >
> > Others require a high ATA number for newer machines, but any new OEM drive
> > will have the highest ATA. The T-41 requires ATA 100 or higher for best
> > results.
> >
> > SATA drives are an entirely different animal. You can find the specs for
> all
> > drives on the www Lenovo com site. No T-41, T-42, or T-43 computer uses
> SATA
> > drives.
> >
> > From a repair and reliability standpoint, the idea T-41 drive is an 80 GB
> > 5400 rpm Seagate Momentus, Toshiba, Western Digital Scorpio, or Samsung...
> > Hitachi is way behind in my biased estimation. We won't have enough
> > reliability information on the 100 GB, 120 GB, 160 GB, and 200 GB drives
> > for another year or two. Most manufacturers will conquor the problem with
> > the 7200 rpm drives. I expect we will see reliabile 10,000 rpm drives as
> > well. But we will still have the heat problem in a laptop that will
> reduce
> > longevity.
> >
> > The meek will inherit the earth. But not yet.
> >
> > RayBay
> >
> >
> > On 10/9/07, Colgrove, George <George.Colgrove@state.vt.us> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would like to buy a new hard drive for my T41. I want to save a buck
> > > - if possible. I want a Hitachi TravelStar Drive because of the former
> > > IBM roots. My belief is that the TravelStar has all the features the
> > > ThinkVantage software and the ThinkPad in general takes advantage of. I
> > > am not positive that other manufacturers provide all the features the
> > > ThinkPad looks for. (I'm not sure - nor specific as to what I am
> > > looking for in features). I am assuming a TravelStar is the best fit
> > > for a ThinkPad - is this assumption correct? If not - what manufacturer
> > > produces the most durable drive for long lasting use for the buck?
> > >
> > > My primary concern is speed. I would like the fastest drive available,
> > > but would also like stability as well. It seems 7200 speed drives are
> > > flakey at times - and die quite abruptly. Are 5400 drives more durable
> > > for longer lasting life? And therefore is it better to buy a 5400 speed
> > > drive to endure longevity?
> > >
> > > Finally, where is a good outlet that backs the products they sell and
> > > has great prices for quality products? I use Tiger Direct normally. Is
> > > there a better place to check out?
> > >
> > > Lastly: What type of hard drive am I looking for? EIDE? ATA?, SATA?
> > > What size cache is ideal? What size disk offers the best longevity?
> > >
> > > George W. Colgrove III
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Thinkpad mailing list
> > > Thinkpad@stderr.org
> > > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > __________________
> >
> > We don't stop playing because we turn old,
> > but turn old because we stop playing.
> >
> > Satchel Paige
> > _______________________________________________
> > Thinkpad mailing list
> > Thinkpad@stderr.org
> > http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 07:54:17 -0700
> From: Bruce Blumberg <bblumberg@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Thinkpad Digest, Vol 49, Issue 7
> To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
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> I have been using Popfile for a few years. Works very nicely
>
> popfile.sourceforge.net.
>
> Brucebblumberg_at_hotmail.com> From: thinkpad-request_at_stderr.org> Subject: Thinkpad Digest, Vol 49, Issue 7> To: thinkpad_at_stderr.org> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:00:04 -0500> > Send Thinkpad mailing list submissions to> thinkpad_at_stderr.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://stderr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/thinkpad> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> thinkpad-request_at_stderr.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> thinkpad-owner_at_stderr.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Thinkpad digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: OT: Any suggestions for an email filter (interfaceto> Outlook as well)? (David Moorhouse)> 2. OT: Any suggestions for an email filter (interface to Outlook> as well)? (Rosen, Robert (NIH/NIAMS) [E])> 3. Any Thinkpads with S/PDIF out? (Scott Matthews)> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------->
>
> Message: 1> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:45:57 +1300> From: David Moorhouse <thinkpad@moorhouse.net.nz>> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] OT: Any suggestions for an email filter> (interfaceto Outlook as well)?> To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>> Message-ID: <jgd9g31b9q6j8ee59ad0sl4efavlbc40tl@4ax.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:25:45 -1000, you wrote:> > >> >This program is spam's pal? It looks like www.spamfoe.org is still> >available, wouldn't that have been a better name for anti-spam software?> >> LOL, Yes a strange name ... but an effective free and lightweight spam> filter.> > Cheers> > D> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:30:59 -0400> From: "Rosen, Robert (NIH/NIAMS) [E]" <rosenr@mail.nih.gov>> Subject: [Thinkpad] OT: Any suggestions for an email filter (interface> to Outlook as well)?> To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>> Message-ID:> <BEC4C478864A2749B0733455A256A58E04C0E574@NIHCESMLBX9.nih.gov>> Content-Type:
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> ext/plain; charset="utf-8"> > > > I am using Outlook 2000 which I upgraded to only after encountering the> > dreaded 2 gig pst limitation of Outlook 98. > > Outlook 2003 and beyond supports the old 2GB pst files and also supports the new pst file type which has a much bigger limit (16 or 32GB, can't remember off hand and I'm on my Blackberry right now so can't check). We discourage that use since it makes backup/recovery of pst files worse. > > ______________________________> Robert Rosen> CIO, NIAMS - NIH> Sent from wireless handheld> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:45:43 -0400> From: "Scott Matthews" <scott@turnstyle.com>> Subject: [Thinkpad] Any Thinkpads with S/PDIF out?> To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>> Message-ID: <000401c806a6$01ce1540$317efed8@x40>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Hi all -- do any of the TP's come with S/PDIF out?> > thanks! -Scott> > > ------------------------------> > __________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:58:50 +1000
> From: mje@foxall.com.au
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Magnets and Discs
> To: ThinkPad list <thinkpad@stderr.org>
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> [David Stickney:]
>
> > FWIW, we experimented some years ago with big speaker magnets and 5.25"
> > floppies,.... So it's almost
> > impossible to destroy data on them if someone really wants to recover it.
>
> I'm surprised to read this - I've always thought magnets were
> death to computer disks, and have always been fanatically careful to
> keep things like loudspeakers away from them, and have even refused to
> take things like fridge magnets into the house for fear that, in a
> careless moment, they may come too close to a disk and destroy its
> contents. So have I been needlessly extreme on this over the years?
> When a magnet does do damage to a disk, does whatever degree of
> damage that's going to occur take place immediately, and then stay the
> same, or does the damage occur gradually, accumulating over time? I
> guess, putting it in a more practical way, if you let a disk fall too
> close to a strong magnet, might you save it from further damage if you
> can move it away again straight away - or is it already too late and
> the damage has occurred?
>
>
> > I think you're back to physically destroying the disc to be sure.
>
> Surely just writing new data (which could be a repeated
> character, or random characters without any content) would be
> sufficient to erase what was previously on the disk? Surely a
> particular area of disk space can't store two or more sets of data at
> the same time?
> Or can it? I thought each bit of storage on a disk could have
> only 2 states, represented as "0" and "1". If so, then wouldn't the
> current value override any previous ones? Or, if traces of the
> previous value still remain, as well as the current one, that suggests
> that the bit in fact can have 4 states, not 2.
> Is that in fact so? (I don't know if it would work, but it does
> suggest the possibility of increasing disk storage capacity by using
> multiple states for each bit instead of just two.)
>
> Regards,
> Michael Edwards.
>
>
>
>
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